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| CurtGuitar |
 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:48 am |
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I have nothing at the moment, I'm going to need some soon, would like to get something that sounds really good and works all the time!
I know that TC has a sort of an outboard thing that holds it's own software right?
Anybody use that? I believe it's called Power Core.
I would rather have something in the computer for now, I think I bought enough rig to handle it....we'll see! |
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| PeterKirn |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:16 am |
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| TC's PowerCore is an outboard DSP system . . . the software still runs on your computer, but this compact little box connects to your computer via FireWire and does all the processing. TC just unveiled a new audio interface with built-in DSP just for reverb and channel strip processing, though; more on that later today. That might become my top choice, frankly, given the quality of the TC stuff. |
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| rlainhart |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:44 am |
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| atomic_afro |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:43 am |
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I use alot of different reverbs for different tasks:
Here's some of the cleaner, more utilitarian verbs that I use:
Cakewalk's Perfect Space
Sonitus:fx Reverb
Ozone 3's onboard reverb
Plus, there are tons of freeware verbs that do all sorts of crazy verb and delay sounds:
Voxengo OldSkoolVerb
White Noise Audio Miasma
DaSample GlaceVerb
e-phonic Retro Delay
NUSofting Reverbering
Many more too, check out KVR and search for free reverbs...
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| PeterKirn |
| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:51 am |
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| BassTooth |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:18 pm |
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| subbasshead |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:56 pm |
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Altiverb is fantastic!!!!
but being a convolution reverb it eats CPU like you wouldn't believe
so I tend to print reverbs from it...
The fantastic thing about convolution reverbs is that they are VERY real
as they are captured from real acoustic spaces, so for example you
can pull up the Notre Dam verb & use it & it is faultless...
Many of these verbs are available in surround formats & different
perspectives etc too...
Its also quite easy to make your own Impulse Responses for Altiverb
& a lot of people have eg someone went through all the Lexicon 960
presets & captured IRs...
Its also good for un-real effects
eg for a horror film I recorded a group of japanese girls whispering
(they were in the film) and then told Altiverb to use it as an IR
So anything u play through gets convolved with the whispering,
great for freaky whispery trails...
I've also captured a few IRs in real acoustic spaces with a starter pistol
but important to avoid an armed offenders squad call out!
If you try you will be stunned at the quality of the reverbs!!!
I think Altiverb has one of the biggest IR librarys too
I must have 200+ IRs collected up...
but yes, its a CPU hog!! |
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| PeterKirn |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:59 pm |
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Yeah, I love AltiVerb, as well; I've used it since the beginning. The hype is deserved. I haven't tried WAVES IR, however.
Because it's already there in Logic, I also really like Space Designer. And you can load your own IRs into it, as well. Processor hog, yes, but that's becoming less of an issue.
Wait until you guys see my Core Duo Space Designer benchmarks. The CPUs really are catching up with this kind of thing. (which will benefit PC and Mac convolution reverbs alike, of course) |
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| rlainhart |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:46 pm |
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| Tonmeister |
| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:59 pm |
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I haven't used AltiVerb or any of the Waves plugins on the Mac, only on a PC at a nearby studio running Nuendo. They run and sound great, so I'm sure they sound just as good (if not better  ) on the Mac.
I simply stick to the four 'verbs available in Logic Express, although it would be nice to try out some of the other ones mentioned here.
It sure would be sweet to be able to use Reason's RV7000 reverb unit separately in other programs as a plug-in. |
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| james |
| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:34 pm |
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PeterKirn wrote: TC's PowerCore is an outboard DSP system . . . the software still runs on your computer, but this compact little box connects to your computer via FireWire and does all the processing.
In addition to the gorgeous PowerCore Compact, TC also made a PCI card called PowerCore Element (Mac & Win) that can be had on eBay for about $300.
It's a wonderful deal for the money -- I tend to offload my reverbs and fx to my PowerCore, leaving my machine's processor to handle samplers and soft synths.
Man, we're spoilt these days -- too many choices! |
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| darkcraft |
| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:46 am |
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Waves IR is very impressive, although it stutters with any real-time tweaking.
Nicest I've found for PC at least is RaySpace - not too heavy on CPU, 3d(ish) modelling of the environments or draw your own, lots of knobs to tweak. |
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| cebec |
| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:16 pm |
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Hi,
I've used Voxengo's Pristine Space for the longest, besides the wide variety of reverbs in Reaktor (which I no longer use), but now, I primarily use Pristine Space, and the three included in Sonar -- PerfectSpace (re-labelling of Pristine Space), the Sonitus Reverb, and Lexicon Pantheon. In addition to the reverb possibilities on the G2 and in Max, I'm pretty well covered.
I'm most fond of convolution reverbs, though, and want to experiment with quasi-binaural impulse responses.
Any Lexicon outboard has always seemed like a good value and a good sounding solution, to me. |
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| Egz |
| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:50 pm |
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If price is not a factor, Waves. There is a free demo, for 14 or 30 days.... if you just want to check it out. ( not that I am suggesting this, but if $ is a factor, there are ways of getting around it) I'm so against a dongle approach, like TC Powercore..
If you believe the DSP/cpu should be offloaded.... you can use a network Node in Audio Units ( oops, Windows users have other options, VST has network clustering as well )
Technically, Waves was made by actual rocket scientists.... and is a technical marvel... There is no better way to make, get, use reverb....
Powercore uses Motorola DSP chips, which are integer only, this is a lossy way to implement it... It is best to use floats... Core Audio in OS X is all 32 bit floats - and is far more accurate in calculating all these complex math - convolution - or 10,000KHz 32 bit Audio - surround, stereo, you need to round these numbers some time... wait until the very end to do so - VST, AU, is all designed around this truth.
If you use Pro Tools, Powercore, you are using a horrible little CPU, Mot 56K chip - and there is no way to do it "right". It is slow, up to 150MHz ?? and you can stick 4 plug ins on each DSP - if it's 8 bit (!) Quality is not something that comes to mind here.... On the other hand, since it's such a brain dead DSP, only really skilled designs, and well optimized code are found in the plug ins - at a hefty premium to the same algorithm on a capable CPU - or GPU. I cannot in good conscience, recommend lower quality, hardware secured, proprietary, over less expensive, higher quality...
Utilizing a 32 bit float, FPU on a CPU... convolution reverbs in Peak, Waves, Logic - illustrate well what can be accomplished. The issues with huge CPU loads, are inherent on quality vs quantity - if I say, we can either do x quality and have 99 reverbs, or super duper quality... I'd pick quality - but I can't use more than a couple live.... where you fall in that is rather subjective... Your Milage May Vary...
Egan
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| savanttrigger |
| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:46 pm |
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I tend to use SIR. Being a real cheapie, I tend to use a lot of free VSTs. I've heard good things about this one, though, and it works well for me. (I've used it to make some very strange verbs, too)
http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html |
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