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Glitchy Effects w/ Live

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inside_out
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:23 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 21 Location: Dallas, TX
I can't figure out how to view wave forms on screen as you see them in this clip much less manipulate them... Help?

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michaeluna
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:12 pm Reply with quote
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Hmm. That's definitely Ableton Live, but that's my favorite technique in Sony's Acid. If anyone figures this out I'd be interested to know also.
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bliss
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:26 pm Reply with quote
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RTFM! Wink

Hint: It's just a basic window minimize/maximize function.
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atomic_afro
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:32 pm Reply with quote
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I've spent only a limited amount of time in Live (because my main sequencer is still FL), but it's quite easy to zoom into the waveform in the arrangement view. At that point it's easy to cut up the waveforms and create glitchy patterns.

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inside_out
Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:53 pm Reply with quote
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I know how to toggle between clip and arrangement view. I can't zoom in on waveforms as they appear in the video clip. If i try to zoom, the recorded data is just represented as a rectangle. I'm sure it's easy...
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bliss
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:24 am Reply with quote
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Have you recorded into the Arrangement window? If you have, do you see the mixer controls to right of your clips? Now ask yourself, "Have I been curious about the function of every little control featured here?" You are in for quite a big "Duh!" moment. Razz

Now if you haven't recorded any audio, or imported any audio files into the Arrangement view, then allow me: Duh! No wonder you don't see any waveforms. Wink
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cas
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:14 am Reply with quote
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Smile
click right there


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inside_out
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:14 am Reply with quote
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Guys I appreciate your patience and effort... Should have just been more specific. Can you only edit waveforms on an "audio" channel, not midi?
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cas
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:23 am Reply with quote
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when you record with impulse it its recorded as a midi sequence, not audio file... so what you will see will be "blocks" representing the time that a note is played...
but you would be able to edit them...
try doble clicking on the recorded clip...
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bliss
Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:54 am Reply with quote
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inside_out wrote:
Guys I appreciate your patience and effort... Should have just been more specific. Can you only edit waveforms on an "audio" channel, not midi?


Yes. Editing waveforms is specific to audio recording on audio tracks and audio files. As for editing MIDI, see cas's answer immediatly preceding mine.
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SteveD
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:35 am Reply with quote
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It may be of interest to you to edit your work as waveforms. This would allow you to edit sounds without effects working in real time, but as an integrated part of the sound. If this is the case, you can simply render your arranged midi sequence, and import it back in as an audio file.

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PeterKirn
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:52 pm Reply with quote
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Right, and there are now multiple ways of rendering MIDI to audio. You shouldn't have to export, then re-import. As of Live 6, the easiest way to go is to Freeze the track, then right-click the clip (ctl-click on Mac) and choose Flatten. This produces an audio clip you can manipulate directly.

Even cooler, you can freeze the track, then drag the clip to another audio track, and Live automatically creates an audio clip. That would leave your original track if you want to go back and edit the MIDI events (after un-freezing).

Lastly, if you want a mix of more than one track, you can create a new audio track and send audio to that and record there ... which is also the pre-Live 6 way of doing this.

Incidentally, once you have audio, it's possible to do what Telefon Tel Aviv is doing right in Session view. You can mess around with clips directly in Session, and you can also drag audio to Impulse and adjust loop length, etc. What's nice about that is that you can work in ways that aren't possible with Acid, etc.; you wind up with a drum set instead of just something in a static arrangement. You can also now combine multiple Impulse instruments using the Rack.

Not an advertisement for Live 6; for me, these additions have opened up some of my music making.
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vj_Jasper
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:50 pm Reply with quote
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thanks Peter, that's some great advice about Live, doing the freeze-flatten technique to get a workable audio file (and no exporting Smile ).. economical with time = more fun being creative with sound designs and texture interactions.

i have found a great convenience and a similar saving of time with Waveknife ... it is freeware, and can be fed a wav of a number of sounds, and it will chop out all the individual 'hits' it can find, and save them all off individually into a folder. in case anyone is interested, here is the link for waveknife:
http://www.spacetaxi.de/sf/waveknife.html
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GoodBehaviourSexReward
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:30 am Reply with quote
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fiy, ctrl+e cut the sample where the cursor is placed at, and ctrl+j consolidates it (stiches it together to create a new file of the bit and pieces of the file you cut up. Smile

also, when cutting a file, going into the sample mode view (clicky right bottom corner to display the wave file, loop markers, envelopes, reverse and whatnots etc) only edits this particular cut, and leave the other one original. with that in mind, making a beat from a beat is not only simple as hell, but very efficient. enjoy.

edit: ohyeah, i forgot: ctrl+ 1 for smaller grid, ctrl+2 for wider grid, and ctrl+3 for triplet grid, and ctrl+d to duplicate current selection. all you need to mash up a simple 4 by 4 loop into pure insane dsp idm in a matter of minutes!

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Lisa-Adam
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:30 am Reply with quote
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I am sorry I didn't understand what you want to say.

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