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| bliss |
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| michaeluna |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:12 pm |
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I understand what he's saying, but come on Bob-
"I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past 20 years, really,"
That's too bad, because I do. Maybe you need to get out more, make some new friends. You know, go where the good music is, instead of whining for it to come to you. |
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| avi |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:53 pm |
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its easy to criticiize but not so easy to give suggestions and/or improvements
nice job just mouthing off bobby, anyone can do that |
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| bliss |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:40 pm |
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Obviously Bob likes things in a certan way. From a techinical standpoint I think he's referring, at least in part, to the bombast produced by a certain way of using compressors over the past 20 years.
Mouthing off is what Bob is most well known for. Not too much has changed in that regard. Though he'd probably be the first to tell you that he does do something about it. As he hinted in that short article, it's the people recording his music that don't know how to properly capture his solution. It could be that they are not too thrilled to read that bit.
What Bob may be overlooking is that "old" technology often missed certain things or colored things in a recording in certain way. And the mastery of producers and engineers were able to use that to the artist's advantage many years ago. It seems that his view is there's very little of that happening these days.
I like a little bombast every now and then, but I also can't stand recordings that suffer from a lack of dynamics. Especially when it's obvious that the music is dependant upon dynamics to express its power. I can name a gazillion - well maybe not quite a gazillion - jazz recordings that were released over the past 15 years that suffer from the inadequate workmanship of its producers and engineers. According to poplular legend, the late and great jazz pianist Bill Evans has never been captured on a recording properly. Yet many of those old recordings have garnered high praises. And I love many of them dearly. |
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| Jaymis |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:08 pm |
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"Damn kids with their CDs... there's no stature anymore... walking on my lawn and making the dog bark... GET YOUR CD PODS OFF MY DAMN LAWN... Damn kids..."
He's 65, and spent the best part of his life playing music. I'm guessing he wasn't using hearing protection on all those noisy stages, so I'd say that he's going deaf, but like most males as they go deaf, he's blaming it on everyone around him  |
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| avi |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:09 pm |
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I've always regarded live sound to be the perfect sound
Even when it comes to hip-hop, hearing live drums is so much better than a drum machine
However, in the past few years there have been leaps and bounds of recording music. Sure, some producers over do it, but with so many genres and styles and forms of music, especially so much relying much, if not soley, on technology, it's important to embrace it instead of shunning it like a kid in a corner.
Just my opinion, I could be, and probably are, wrong. |
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| bliss |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:22 pm |
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Jaymis wrote: "Damn kids with their CDs... there's no stature anymore... walking on my lawn and making the dog bark... GET YOUR CD PODS OFF MY DAMN LAWN... Damn kids..."
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| avi |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:38 pm |
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watch out for old man dylan
next time a frisbee lands in his yard, hes keeping it |
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| tristan |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:46 am |
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Quote: CDs are small. There's no stature to it.
I...don't really know how to reply to this.
oh wait, yes I do. that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. |
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| bliss |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:05 am |
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tristan wrote: Quote: CDs are small. There's no stature to it.
I...don't really know how to reply to this.
oh wait, yes I do. that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.
Well, you know how it goes with technology, "The bigger the muscle, the tighter the shorts." Or maybe it's, "The bigger the muscles, the tighter the shirt." Whatever.
"The smaller the iPod the bigger the package'"? The bigger the package the smaller the chip"? Whatever. |
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| tristan |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:27 am |
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bliss wrote: Well, you know how it goes with technology, "The bigger the muscle, the tighter the shorts." Or maybe it's, "The bigger the muscles, the tighter the shirt." Whatever.
"The smaller the iPod the bigger the package'"? The bigger the package the smaller the chip"? Whatever.
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| garyg |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:02 am |
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"they have sound all over them"
I think sound is the best bit of a CD personally...
"There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like ... static."
Well, if you're going to listen to nothing but Merzbow, Bob... |
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| avi |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:48 am |
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don't alot of artists not cleanup their sound fully for a few reasons?
they can't afford huge post-production costs, and they want it to have more of a lo-fi, live sound?
this might be more common with indie bands and labels, but might still occur with the big labels |
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| shamann |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:58 am |
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What's strangest is that there are a lot of engineers out there using the same equipment/techniques that they used 30 years ago. Certainly not most records, and especially not in the radio-friendly mainstream, but there are still a lot of them out there.
But this is just a case of old guy grumbling. |
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| PeterKirn |
| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:33 pm |
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I think "They have sound all over them" could be the audio world's new "the Internet is made of tubes."
But, aside from the fact that Dylan says absurd things, I think it's time to put a stop to all this griping about compression and production quality. Yes, it's awful. No, it's not all albums. Once you get out of the top 50 kind of music, you'll find lots of albums with fantastic production values that aren't squashed within an inch of their life. Furthermore, there's great hip-hop music that uses over-squashing compression to real artistic ends. So ... basically... a lot of people need to get over this. I think it's very fair to complain about over-compressed music and radio broadcasts. But it's old news, and the people who DO know better ought to distinguish between this and the rest of the musical output, which right now is a LOT of stuff. |
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